The upper hose needs to be simply matched to the original length of the 190E part and the lower hose comes out to around 20cm (I would try 19.5cm for an easier fit. After 6 years of reading this forum, I was under the impression that a 5L LH M119 will install neatly into a 400E, 100% of the time for 10 times less than what JC220 wants to charge some incognizant stranger? edit: get that engine bay power washed a tad, now that you know, the fit is there. I was just giving you a hard time. JavaScript is disabled. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. both m104 and 2jz handle 1000hp but the price is real big difference. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Well my 93 had a 2.85:1 rear diff, and rear sub frame mods r highly recommendedSuspension, well Eibachs is what I useIf you want roll bars, Delsing 500E rollbars, with the ends cut a little to fit the 190E. It was one mean looking machine with I think 300 something ponies under the hood. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. articles/m104.98x_motor_swap_in_a_190e.txt, W201 (specifically 1992-1993 190E 2.6, other models need adaptation). When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The motor is mated to a modified 722.634 five-speed automatic transmission with custom 5000 rpm converter, W124 210 mm LSD rear end, and Sportline 300E 32 mm axles. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! you have a 2.6 sportline 5spd they are super had to come by( ask me how i know) i would leave it alone and do the maintenance to it. Is there a worthy replacement for the 190E 2.6. Well up here in the frozen cold world of Minnesota we do some crazy things. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. I would reduce the length by half a centimeter. Most E420's do not have ASR nor heated seats. Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU and it made 800 horsepower and 930 Nm of torque to the wheels. I used 400E brakes, but the nicest is using 95 SL 600 brakes up front and rearThe rear are vented rotors instead of solidI've seen racing slicks lock up with 190Es and no ABS with these brakesBut be prepared for another $1200. Any slk egne fit in there? How to get your M119 5.0L V8 running optimally? Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? AMG would be nice and or a V8. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. I wish I could have a M3 or Audi TT, but dont have the cash. the m103 to m104 is a pretty common swap but the power gain is about 60hp or so. I would also like to do suspension up grades and a EVOII kit in the future. from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. You must log in or register to reply here. Engine Swap Depot. Bolt starter to the engine before lowering. Originally Posted by Kestas. Is a swap possible? You must log in or register to reply here. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. Anyone with experience in HFM swaps care to shed some light as to exactly what I need to pull out of the donor 124? But any ways, what engines can I put in my 190? So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. JavaScript is disabled. VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. The M104 A/C manifold's low pressure hose cannot reach the connection point at the edge of the fender on a 190E chassis. Your original gearbox will work fine with the new engine, but bear in mind it's much easier to remove the gearbox and engine together than separate them in the car. easist way for me would be add two injector before throttle body, let a a along ecu to fire them with rpm sensing. 4 bangers can be quite powerful.. The work in the trunk involved installing a new fuel cell, fold-down radiator, expansion tank, and tubular structure. Connect common ground at intake manifold. Said it made around 345hp(?) this is why my mercedes is a stock classic show car and my NA volvo 850 GLT is going to me my tuned performance car. via Engine Swap Depot History, Power & Specs of the Engine M104 2.8 L M104.900 3.0 L M104.98x 217 to 228 hp@ 6400 rpm 265Nm (195lbft@ 4600) (with cat) The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v Read More Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six 1994 Mercedes Wagon with a Turbo LSx - Part 14 July 9, 2018 W124 you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. Not to mention, but on the 500E, the computers are located under the hood, and the battery is located in the trunk. It's lacking power to spin the big heavy 18" AMG monoblock wheels it came with, so I'm looking into an engine swap. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Therefore, nothing but good old venerable striahgt 6s. Probably $15k min, but you'd have a torque monster that'd be just as interesting (or more) than a V8 S124. Every panel is made from FRP (fiber-reinforced plastic) except for A-pillar, C-pillar, and roof. Inside the car you find a custom six-point roll cage, Takata 6-point harness, Sparco Evo 2 seats. Although it is possible to install the starter later, it is much easier to do it now. This BMW E46 has spent the past two years being built by VRP Fab in Lublin, Poland for drifting. go the suggested 400E + LH M119 route, which gives you an 80-90% chance of success. It replaced the M103 and was replaced by the M112 V6 starting in 1997. haha, no worries! The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. Also depends if you are willing to take on a "mechanic's special" that is cheap because they couldn't figure out what's wrong with it. What engine can fit into this car? Learn how your comment data is processed. All new control harnesses would need to be fabricated for all of the car's systems and the battery and cables run to the trunk. As @a777fan said, there are multiple discussions of these types of engine swaps on the forum. The M104.98x introduces a new vacuum nipple. Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. Bolt starter to transmission later. Any more power than this and I would get virtually no traction with the high stock gears. I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. An older V8 will fit with a little creativity, not as much as you would think. Swapped! Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. Note that the battery is located under the hood on an E320, and the couple of computers there are, are located just behind the battery under the windshield. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? Mercedes W124 with a 1000 hp Turbo M104 Inline-Six November 6, 2019 W124 This Mercedes W124 300E called "Blueberry" is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. the mercedes is a DD that gets 30mpg that looks good. Maybe a steering unit from a w210? Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. One thing i forgot to mention, the sway bar and the skid plate needs to be modified but thats easy peasy. I believe that the M102, M103 and M104 bellhousing patterns are the same, meaning you can mount a 5-speed transmission from a 300E or 190E onto your M104. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Is there a cross reference for this or is the ebay special the best bet? I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. Seen one in the "legends of the autobahn" car show a couple of years ago in Carmel/Monterey. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. The sedan rides on Yellow Racing coilovers, OZ Future wheels (179,1712), CL600 front brakes, and 300TE rear brakes. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. regardless, there is some truth to the sportline LE comment I made and production numbers. i dont think i need to do anything to the firewall. The easiest swap out, would be a 90-93 300SL Engine Swap. Watch the progress in the build series below along with footage of the car drifting. I saw one real nice one on the web that had a AMG 3.8 in it. I heard the M104 is the same longblock engine as the M103 with the same fuel delivery system, except it is bored out for more displacement, and has DOHC 4 valves per cyllinder instead of SOHC 2 per cyllinder, but is essentially the same engine. It's 80%. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. I believe the engine carrier would need to be modified. Removed the front bumper, upper radiator support, radiator, condenser, and engine harness. as for fitting in the 104 engine, it is anyone's guess whether the manifold and down pipes will clear the steering box. Unrelated but tied to the M104 is the crumbling wiring issue, and evaporator failure. i think you would need to splice int he wiring harness from the 104. it is alot of work if i had to do this i would do a m117 swap. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. CLK, W209. I wasn't kidding about a 6-12 month search nationwide. 20cm is slightly too long). Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. Has a black W201FTW vanity plate. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The site includes MB Forums, News, Galleries, Publications, Classifieds, Events and much more! We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. via Oppositelock. You are using an out of date browser. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. Learn how your comment data is processed. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. I have a 1990 190E 2.6the straight six just isnt cutting it performance wise. I just like to make plan on what and how I am going to do it so when it comes time I know exactly what needs to be done. Mercedes made a ton of upgrades when they put the V8 into the 6-cyl chassis, which is why you can't easily upgrade the E320. Learn how your comment data is processed. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. In addition, the engine carrier and mounting setup I believe is different between the V-8 and inline-six models? Use it however you wish or block it off. No matter how i lean it back and forth the steering box is not touching anything, the engine mounts are in the correct place it and it has like a 2-3 cm gap from the starter. cheap way ,and use procharger instead. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. I have plenty of tuning spirit, but some things are best left alone. Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. Ive heard opinions that Toyotas 2JZ was heavily inspired by this M104 series, which came out a year before the 2JZ (and ofc the earlier M103 and M110 series from the late 70s). For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It was built for the track and drifting. Looks like im gonna be spending a lot of money on this projecthehe. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. The engine produces 468 horsepower and 580 Nm (427 lb-ft) of torque to the rear wheels thanks to the turbocharger producing 0.7 bar (10.1 psi) of boost. His forum name is SG Motorsports. changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190Eswap,320e,e320,w124,m104,m104 3.2,mercedes-benz,plasme cutting,mercedes,,190,190e,. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. Another option is to swap in the CIS version of the M104 engine found on the earliest M104 powered cars (1990-1992 300CE and 1990-1993 300SL). The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? Auto-Gruppen tuned the engine on a Emtron KV8 ECU . The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. ya dont destroy a 5-speed sportline. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Alright, putting a 94 M104 into a 89 2.6 5spd W201 (Green/Black). Lower hose is only about 20cm long. I want mercedes V8 power, or at least AMG 6 cylinder. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites. I've always wondered why people make the wagons accept V8s when it might be easier to make the sedan a wagon (shooting brake, if you will). I believe you are correct that it came with a V6. A number of years back I had converted a manual 1987 W124 200 (4 cylinder carb engine) to a 3.6 HFM engine and auto trans. I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. You are using an out of date browser. It rides on a set of Cosmis Racing XT206R wheels with 189.5-inch in front and 1811-inch in back. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. And still, the purists cried, "Heresy!" ugh! Not needed anyhow. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? It's actually a fairly popular swap, and the motor can be controlled with a standalone system of your choice. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. What did you need to do to convert the coils from the three coils and three wires to six individual invention coils on the m104 engine? I could make a you-tube video to document the process with lots of "Hey Guys today I'll just pop the motor in" and a mere few tea breaks later the engine will be in and it will all be easy peasy time for epic burnouts. VIN: WDBEA34EXSC224807 FIN: WDB1240341C224807 Engine no. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. Source: Nomotors.ua and Mt Nuszer via Piotr. Don't tear into the 190e yet, I would like to purchase it from you ! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. You will need to reclock the alternator by removing the screws holding the 2 halves of the alternator together and turning them to match how a 190E alternator looks. However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? I think you meant steering box/column from a w201 (not W210) W103 is what you meant. Since then the car has seen a lot of action. The stock 3.8L Euro has 218bhp and I have flowmaster exhaust, an intake from a 420SEL, (It bolts right on), and a crane cams ignition. As, If the OP sends me a container with subject vehicle, m119.970 + donor 400E and $25k I can make it work in a few months. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. After the legendary E30 and its potent inline-four, then the successful inline-sixes of the E36 and E46, the step up to a V8 did seem a bit unavoidable. Mounting the 190E A/C manifold to the engine block introduces a problem where the A/C compressor can no longer be mounted to the accessory bracket. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. The ol' girl has probably done around 8-10k trouble free miles since the swap, until the air pump bearing decided to retire and smoked the belt. That was later replaced with a turbocharged M104.992 inline-six now making 1000+ horsepower on 8.7:1 compression and MegaSquirt MS3X ECU. So my question and a big debate in my mind is how practical it is for a swap of M119 from a 1992 500 SL into a W124 E320 1994, If I would get positive vibes I'll have both cars complete and in running conditions, w124 being near to immaculate and r129 being not in so great condition. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Lower engine from hoist into engine bay and align motor mounts. This Nissan 350Z was built to drift by Yaroslav Kremets from Nomotors in Kyiv, Ukraine. The steering box is in fact in a different location on the M102 cars versus the 6-cylinder M103 cars. I have a friend who had a 3.0L from a 300E in his 190 and it was pretty quick too. What are some 1/4 time and or top speed #'s for people have done these swaps? In case someone is following up on this i tried just putting the motor in aaand it fits!!! Mine isn't an LE though, just a 190e sportline. And isn't the M119.960 slightly wider and taller, making the fit into a 124 even harder? Mercedes w203 Engine Swap "The Plan" (Pt.1) M271|M104|M111 Ricer Benz 4.27K subscribers Join Subscribe 143 Share 10K views 2 years ago M111 turbo Video link :. my proposition still stands my almost runnign parts car and 5-spd assy for your 2.6 5-spd. Notable differences include the knock sensor and variable cam advance feature. Connect single pin connector by ignition coil, Connect AC compressor wires (blue/green, white, blue/red), Connect throttle position wires (brown/yellow, brown, gray/yellow). My typo error corrected (w210 ===>w201). Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. Hello S70/2, Im new to this forum, well any forum in fact but I need a lot of help, Im currently undertaking an m104 hfm swap, the motor is in and have managed to wire it to the extent where it turns, fuel pump responds to m104 fp relay but cant seem to get it to spark, Ive currently taken all the wirering back out to start again, I have full wirering diagrams printed out, one thing Im confused with is how the ecu is supplied with power? Front of block: 350SDL "Diesel" crank (Now not just limited to L series fun for strokers!) Then swap in a 2.65-2.82 differential (in place of the 2.24 granny gears) and, optionally, a 5.0L engine. and the other thing you have a mercedes not a honda or a toyota if you want performance and the tuning spirit get a honda.. these cars arent really geared toward performance and to modify them for it will cost you some change. Of course what excites us the most is the Mercedes 3.2 L M104 (M104.99x) inline-six sitting under the hood. ..looking in that engine bay I understand why, https://teamlovetap.com/the-only-w209-driftcar-in-the-world. While there Auto-Gruppen persuaded the turbocharged 3.2 L Mercedes M104 inline-six into making 953 hp and 1081 Nm (797 lb-ft) of torque to the wheels on 2.14 bar (31 psi) of boost from a EFR9180 turbocharger. 1- the M104.980 should be direct one due o the similarity with my M103 2.6 CIS system, but I need to have the ECU, the EZL and the harness. Source: Team Lovetap (project page), Team Lovetap FB page, Auto-Gruppen FB page, and Drifted. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. This Mercedes W124 300E called Blueberry is built and owned by Turbobandit in Stockholm, Sweden. I remember seeing an AMG 190E on ebay, fuly decked out by AMG and Renntech a while back. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. Remove with transmission attached. If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. For those unfamiliar with the project, it's powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a . : 119975 12 021689 Transmission: 722366 04 102785 744U Brilliant Silver 7181 Stratus Gray (cladding) 268 E420 I can still find/source a good E420, any idea of the prices how much should I be paying for a car with not near to immaculate but runs and drives strong with no rust spots and corrosions with no accidents or damage reports. Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). There are two approaches to getting the wiring completed for this swap. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? all that accumulated grease and oil. All bolt-in, no welding required. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. Mercedes-Benz Sedan / Coupe / Wagon Forums, tongue-in-cheek - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary. Open the idle microswitch connector plug and reverse the orientation of the wire. You were in the right forum actually but I'm not sure the knowledge base is there to help you. Remember that according to any 400E/E420 owner, it is 90% of a 500E !! For those unfamiliar with the project, its powered by a turbocharged 3.2 L M104 inline-six producing 800 horsepower and 930 Nm (685 lb-ft) of torque and Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox. MB 300E 24v Turbo MS3X. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. Probably $5k for the engine, $1.5k for the tranny, and the cost of the computer plus labor, figer 9-12. . you really should join the 190 forum (sorry, i don't have a link) as It is the newer 24valve m104 engine. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. The 20% difference consists of 10% engine/gearing, 8% bodywork and interior, and 2% everything else. Secure engine to hoist and lift to remove. CIS 4 prong sensor is now located at the water pump so this needs to be lengthened. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. Would you recomend doing this swap? The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. Wow, Thanks for all the info. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &.